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Comments on: For many, Clay Shirky’s doomsday scenario is already here https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/ Tech. Culture. Journalism. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:53:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Pekka P https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-53 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:53:40 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-53 This is good stuff, man! Write more!

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By: Robert https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-52 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:43:59 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-52 In reply to Julie Drizin.

@Julie Well said.

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By: Julie Drizin https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-51 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:17:59 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-51 I think many of the white male leaders of the print journalism world who quoted and followed and applauded for their sage advice are completely unaware of the role of ethnic and other media in serving communities. I also think it’s so important for hyperlocal start-ups to rise up organically from the communities where they are. University J-Schools have tremendous human resources that can be brought to the table, but students don’t always live in the communities they cover and don’t have the kind of long-term connection needed to build trust and engagement.

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By: Robert https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-50 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:31:16 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-50 In reply to Marisa Treviño.

@Marisa I agree… that’s why I included the El Tecolote portion. There is a long history here and you can get a sample from the project Voices for Justice.

What’s the URL of your site? How has the community reacted to the site?

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By: Robert https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-49 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:28:25 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-49 In reply to Kim.

@Kim My thoughts exactly! Um, was that paper owned by Gannett? Ugh.

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By: Marisa Treviño https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-48 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:24:48 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-48 Your observation is on target. One of the reasons why I started my own site was because of frustration, and a Midwest newspaper editor telling me Latinos didn’t read. The Internet/blogosphere has finally equalized the playing field when it comes to today’s kind of journalism — inclusive, tells the “small stories” deemed uninteresting by msm and doesn’t always focus on sensational bleeding headlines.

The real struggle, in my opinion, is to keep msm from dismissing niche news sites as not real journalism or not worthy of being seen/listed as a news source. The bottom line is that we niche news sites are providing a service to our communities that msm elected not to do in the name of their target audiences and major advertisers.

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By: Kim https://blog.webjournalist.org/2010/03/16/for-some-newspapers-arent-dying-theyre-already-dead/#comment-47 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:10:25 +0000 http://blog.webjournalist.org/?p=295#comment-47 I’ll agree with you here, in part.

I grew up Asian in a decent-sized Midwestern town. My family was actually featured in the newspaper after my parents reunited following the Vietnam War. But otherwise, did the paper ever cover the Asian community outside of Chinese New Year or other “ethnic” holidays? Not really.

However, I did have the choice of reading a Vietnamese newspaper, Web site, etc. Do I read those? No.

It’s a question of coverage. Do you cover minorities like they are something special? Outside of the norm? That’s the wrong kind of coverage. Do you cover them equally like they are everyone else? Their problems may be slightly different, but the difference is covering them as “minority” problems versus “human” problems.

I once interned at a paper that required that any and every story have a diverse source in it. In Iowa, writing about farmers, we were required to call the a prominent black businessman who knew nothing about farming and get his opinion. Wrong kind of coverage.

So I think of it this way, for some communities, the newspaper has to die, and rise again in a form that actually understands that we are part of the community, not a separate community.

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